STL/STU Request for RX8 Window Framework Removal
#27430 from Dale Shoemaker · Not recommended · Minutes (2020-03 Fastrack)
Thank you for your letter. Current window removal rules are adequately written.
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| Track | Class | Sessions | Typical gap to class best | Closest |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (2.57 mi) | STU | 9 | +8.714s (7.55%) | +1.866s (1.48%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (2.92 mi) | STL | 5 | +13.948s (11.50%) | +6.203s (4.85%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (2.92 mi) | STU | 23 | +11.663s (9.74%) | +7.857s (6.66%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (2.92 mi) | T3 | 3 | +11.630s (9.70%) | +10.722s (8.88%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (1.83 mi) | STU | 1 | +7.087s (9.76%) | +7.087s (9.76%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (3.02 mi) | STL | 5 | +9.128s (7.37%) | +9.000s (7.19%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park (3.02 mi) | STU | 3 | +12.008s (16.36%) | +17.534s (11.51%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park | STU | 1 | ||
| Willow Springs Raceway (2.50 mi) | STU | 2 | +6.380s (6.74%) | +6.380s (6.74%) |
| Willow Springs Raceway (2.50 mi) | T3 | 6 | +10.138s (10.87%) | +0.000s (0.00%) |
| Pacific Raceways | STU | 1 | +11.121s (12.15%) | +11.121s (12.15%) |
Gap is the driver's best lap in a session against the fastest lap in their class in that same session (zero is fastest in class), shown as time lost and as a share of the lap, so conditions cancel out and tracks can be compared. Typical is the median session.
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cal Club 2026 | Grp 5 STU STL T3 T4 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 5/6 | 2:04.885 | 1:52.737Tony Rivera | +12.148s (10.78%) | 122.56/6 | 134.8Rylan Hazelton | -12.3 mph (-9.1%) |
| Cal Club 2026 | Grp 5 STU STL T3 T4 Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 4/4 | 2:04.971 | 1:50.913Tony Rivera | +14.058s (12.67%) | 125.94/4 | 135.2Tony Rivera | -9.3 mph (-6.9%) |
| Cal Club 2026 | Grp 5 STU STL T3 T4 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/7 | 2:05.462 | 1:54.115Tony Rivera | +11.347s (9.94%) | 121.36/7 | 133.6Sean Lovett | -12.2 mph (-9.2%) |
| Cal Club 2026 | Grp 5 STU STL T3 T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 4/5 | 2:06.103 | 1:56.747Sean Lovett | +9.356s (8.01%) | 121.05/5 | 132.0James Slechta | -11.0 mph (-8.3%) |
| Cal Club 2025 | Grp 5 STU GT3 T3 T4 STL Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 2/4 | 2:01.642 | 1:54.433Rylan Hazelton | +7.209s (6.30%) | 100.13/4 | 106.0Rylan Hazelton | -5.9 mph (-5.6%) |
| Cal Club 2025 | Grp 5 STU GT3 T3 T4 STL Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 2/2 | 2:04.455 | 2:02.264Whitfield Gregg | +2.191s (1.79%) | 102.21/2 | 102.2you | +0.0 mph (0.0%) |
| Cal Club 2025 | Grp 5 STU GT3 T3 T4 STL Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 4/4 | 2:02.012 | 1:53.640Rylan Hazelton | +8.372s (7.37%) | 104.32/4 | 113.3Rylan Hazelton | -9.1 mph (-8.0%) |
| Cal Club 2025 | Grp 5 STU GT3 T3 T4 STL Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 4/4 | 2:04.115 | 1:55.401Wilson Powell | +8.714s (7.55%) | 100.92/4 | 107.4Rylan Hazelton | -6.5 mph (-6.0%) |
| Cal Club 2025 | Group A | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 2/2 | 2:07.598 | 2:05.732Whitfield Gregg | +1.866s (1.48%) | 94.42/2 | 98.4Whitfield Gregg | -4.0 mph (-4.0%) |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cal Club 2024 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/6 | 2:08.458 | 1:56.640Rylan Hazelton | +11.818s (10.13%) | 104.06/6 | 117.2Wilson Powell | -13.3 mph (-11.3%) |
| Cal Club 2024 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 5/6 | 2:08.935 | 1:57.172Rylan Hazelton | +11.763s (10.04%) | 102.96/6 | 117.6Wilson Powell | -14.7 mph (-12.5%) |
| Cal Club 2024 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/6 | 2:07.614 | 1:56.063Rylan Hazelton | +11.551s (9.95%) | 103.26/6 | 117.9Wilson Powell | -14.7 mph (-12.5%) |
| Cal Club 2024 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 5/5 | 2:07.867 | 1:55.561Rylan Hazelton | +12.306s (10.65%) | 102.45/5 | 113.0Tazio Ottis | -10.6 mph (-9.4%) |
| Cal Club 2024 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Prac | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/6 | 2:08.943 | 1:58.910Rylan Hazelton | +10.033s (8.44%) | 103.86/6 | 114.0Tazio Ottis | -10.1 mph (-8.9%) |
| Cal Club 2022 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/7 | 2:10.059 | 1:56.862Rylan Hazelton | +13.197s (11.29%) | 101.66/7 | 116.1Nathan Pope | -14.4 mph (-12.4%) |
| Cal Club 2022 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/7 | 2:09.869 | 1:57.068Nathan Pope | +12.801s (10.93%) | 103.46/7 | 116.2Nathan Pope | -12.8 mph (-11.0%) |
| Cal Club 2022 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 7/8 | 2:08.280 | 1:54.744Rylan Hazelton | +13.536s (11.80%) | 104.97/8 | 118.6Nathan Pope | -13.7 mph (-11.6%) |
| Cal Club 2022 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 7/8 | 2:11.102 | 1:55.561Rylan Hazelton | +15.541s (13.45%) | 103.27/8 | 118.4Wilson Powell | -15.3 mph (-12.9%) |
| Cal Club 2022 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Practice | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 | 6/8 | 2:11.460 | 1:56.874Nathan Pope | +14.586s (12.48%) | 100.66/7 | 117.6Nathan Pope | -16.9 mph (-14.4%) |
| Cal Club Region Hoosier SCCA Super Tour @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park | Grp 1 GT3,STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 2 | STL | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 8/8 | 2:13.426 | 2:00.915Nathan Pope | +12.511s (10.35%) | 110.58/8 | 123.1Nathan Pope | -12.6 mph (-10.3%) |
| Cal Club Region Hoosier SCCA Super Tour @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park | Grp 1 GT3,STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 1 | STL | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 9/9 | 2:15.277 | 2:01.329Nathan Pope | +13.948s (11.50%) | 112.79/9 | 124.6Nathan Pope | -11.9 mph (-9.6%) |
| Cal Club Region Hoosier SCCA Super Tour @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park | Grp 1 GT3,STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 2 | STL | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 9/9 | 2:14.119 | 2:00.167Nathan Pope | +13.952s (11.61%) | 110.59/9 | 124.6Nathan Pope | -14.1 mph (-11.4%) |
| Cal Club Region Hoosier SCCA Super Tour @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park | Grp 1 GT3,STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 1 | STL | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 8/8 | 2:17.780 | 2:02.945Nathan Pope | +14.835s (12.07%) | 108.58/8 | 122.6Nathan Pope | -14.1 mph (-11.5%) |
| Cal Club Region Hoosier SCCA Super Tour @ Buttonwillow Raceway Park | Grp 1 GT3,STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Practice | STL | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 6/7 | 2:13.986 | 2:07.783Nathan Pope | +6.203s (4.85%) | 112.94/7 | 118.1Richard James | -5.2 mph (-4.4%) |
| Hoosier SCCA Super Tour (Cal Club Region) | Grp 1 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 4/5 | 2:10.483 | 1:58.812Nathan Pope | +11.671s (9.82%) | 102.94/5 | 117.7Kevin Lachance | -14.8 mph (-12.6%) |
| Hoosier SCCA Super Tour (Cal Club Region) | Grp 1 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 4/7 | 2:12.671 | 2:02.217Nathan Pope | +10.454s (8.55%) | 102.34/7 | 115.2Kevin Lachance | -13.0 mph (-11.3%) |
| Hoosier SCCA Super Tour (Cal Club Region) | Grp 1 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 5/7 | 2:11.467 | 1:59.804Nathan Pope | +11.663s (9.74%) | 103.35/7 | 116.4Kevin Lachance | -13.1 mph (-11.3%) |
| Hoosier SCCA Super Tour (Cal Club Region) | Grp 1 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 4/5 | 2:14.241 | 2:01.593Nathan Pope | +12.648s (10.40%) | 101.14/5 | 115.7Kevin Lachance | -14.6 mph (-12.6%) |
| Hoosier SCCA Super Tour (Cal Club Region) | Grp 1 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Prac | STU | 52 | Mazda RX-8 | 4/4 | 2:14.250 | 2:04.826Kevin Lachance | +9.424s (7.55%) | 101.93/4 | 116.2Kevin Lachance | -14.3 mph (-12.3%) |
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2018 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Cup | 4/5 | 2:05.881 | 1:57.313Ian Barberi | +8.568s (7.30%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2018 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Cup | 6/9 | 2:08.610 | 1:57.524Ian Barberi | +11.086s (9.43%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2018 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Cup | 8/8 | 2:05.608 | 1:56.161Ian Barberi | +9.447s (8.13%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2018 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Cup | 5/5 | 2:05.760 | 1:57.903Ian Barberi | +7.857s (6.66%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2018 | Grp 7 STL,STU,T2,T3,T4 Prac | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Cup | 6/6 | 2:07.211 | 1:58.852Rylan Hazelton | +8.359s (7.03%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2017 | Grp 5 AS,GT1,GT2,GT3,STU Race 2 | STU | 52 | 72 | 3/3 | 2:09.414 | 2:00.928Ian Barberi | +8.486s (7.02%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2017 | Grp3 T1,T2,T3,T4, Race 2 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 4/4 | 2:11.567 | 1:59.937Cameron Evans | +11.630s (9.70%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2017 | Grp 5 AS,GT1,GT2,GT3,STU Race 1 | STU | 52 | 72 | 3/4 | 2:11.284 | 2:02.328Ian Barberi | +8.956s (7.32%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2017 | Grp 3 T1,T2,T3,T4 Race 1 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 3/5 | 2:11.415 | 2:00.693Cameron Evans | +10.722s (8.88%) | |||
| Buttonwillow Raceway Park 2017 | Test Day | STU | 52 | 72 | 4/2 | 1:51.830Marc Hoover | |||||
| Majors Apr 2016 | Saturday Group 7 Qualifying | T3 | 152 | 72 | 3/3 | 2:13.481 | 1:58.172Tom Wickersham | +15.309s (12.95%) |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cal Club 2023 | Grp 7 Race 2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX5 (2007) | 2/2 | 1:19.720 | 1:12.633Marc Hoover | +7.087s (9.76%) |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cal Club 2023 | Grp 7 Race 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX5 (2007) | 3/4 | 1:25.409 | 1:13.401Marc Hoover | +12.008s (16.36%) | |||
| Cal Club 2023 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Qual 1 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge (2007) | 2/2 | 2:49.868 | 2:32.334Rylan Hazelton | +17.534s (11.51%) | 89.12/2 | 100.7Rylan Hazelton | -11.6 mph (-11.6%) |
| Cal Club 2023 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Practice | STU | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge (2007) | 3/3 | 2:41.732 | 2:08.708Marc Hoover | +33.024s (25.66%) | 93.43/3 | 110.6Marc Hoover | -17.2 mph (-15.5%) |
| Cal Club 2021 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Race 2 | STL | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge | 7/7 | 2:12.608 | 2:03.517Nathan Pope | +9.091s (7.36%) | 103.76/7 | 110.1Nathan Pope | -6.4 mph (-5.8%) |
| Cal Club 2021 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Race 1 | STL | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge | 7/7 | 2:12.938 | 2:03.810Nathan Pope | +9.128s (7.37%) | 102.57/7 | 109.2Nathan Pope | -6.7 mph (-6.1%) |
| Cal Club 2021 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Qual 2 | STL | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge | 7/7 | 2:14.784 | 2:04.243James Bishop | +10.541s (8.48%) | 100.97/7 | 108.7James Bishop | -7.8 mph (-7.2%) |
| Cal Club 2021 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Qual 1 | STL | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge | 6/6 | 2:15.035 | 2:03.522Nathan Pope | +11.513s (9.32%) | 103.75/6 | 110.3James Bishop | -6.6 mph (-6.0%) |
| Cal Club 2021 | Grp 7 GT3,STL,STU,T2.T3,T4 Practice | STL | 52 | Mazda MX-5 Challenge | 6/6 | 2:14.130 | 2:05.130Nathan Pope | +9.000s (7.19%) | 103.74/6 | 110.6James Bishop | -6.9 mph (-6.2%) |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cal Club 2023 | Qualifying #2 | STU | 52 | Mazda MX5 (2007) | 2 |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 6 AS,GT1,GT2,GT3,STU Race 2 | STU | 52 | 72 | 4/6 | 1:41.047 | 1:34.667Ian Barberi | +6.380s (6.74%) | |||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 5 T1,T2,T3,T4 Race 2 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 7/9 | 1:43.078 | 1:32.104Andrew Newell | +10.974s (11.91%) | |||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 5 T1,T2,T3,T4 Qual 2 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 7/5 | 1:37.907John Baker | |||||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 6 AS,GT1,GT2,GT3,STU Race 1 | STU | 52 | 72 | 4/7 | 1:42.038 | 1:34.792Ian Barberi | +7.246s (7.64%) | |||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 5 T1,T2,T3,T4 Race1 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 7/10 | 1:43.373 | 1:33.235Andrew Newell | +10.138s (10.87%) | |||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 6 AS,GT1,GT2,GT3,STU Qual1 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 1/1 | 1:42.205 | 1:42.205you | +0.000s (0.00%) | |||
| Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Grp 5 T1,T2,T3,T4 Qual1 | T3 | 52 | 72 | 8/10 | 1:42.198 | 1:31.201Andrew Newell | +10.997s (12.06%) | |||
| XXXHoosier Willow Springs International Raceway 2017 | Testing | T3 | 52 | 72 | 5/4 | 1:28.433Cameron Evan |
| Event | Session | Class | # | Car | Pos | Best lap | Class best | To class best | Trap | Class trap | To class trap |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Majors @ Pacific Raceway | Mon Group 3 Race #2 | STU | 52 | 357876 | 3/3 | 1:42.623 | 1:31.502Oscar Jackson | +11.121s (12.15%) |
#27430 from Dale Shoemaker · Not recommended · Minutes (2020-03 Fastrack)
Thank you for your letter. Current window removal rules are adequately written.
#26005 from Dale Shoemaker · Not recommended · Minutes (2019-03 Fastrack)
Thank you for your letter. The Renesis engine already has ports larger than the street port
template. There would be no reason to allow street porting specifically on a Renesis.